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Post by NightBlade on Sept 26, 2016 5:54:12 GMT
Bitte. Spasibo I kind of regret not spending a lot of time on it because faces are a tremendously detail-specific thing. But it's a basic idea of her key features so it's serviceable. Upon reflection her eyes would be a bit doe-ier, and her face a bit wider. But no biggie.
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Post by jliessa44 on Sept 26, 2016 18:17:06 GMT
Is the page lagging? D:
Eta, I suppose it was.
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on Sept 26, 2016 18:36:53 GMT
NightBlade: Good to know. jliessa44: Yes, it was. I couldn't see Nightblade's post until after you posted.
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Post by Elytra on Sept 26, 2016 19:06:09 GMT
AHHHHH WE HAVE THREEEEEAAAADDDD LAGGGGG!!!!!!
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Post by NightBlade on Sept 28, 2016 4:09:48 GMT
Yeah sorry I broke it xD
@jliessa I feel bad for not remembering this earlier since I've been following it for a long time...but the ISKN pen ring and slate may be the coolest innovation in digital art. It crosses into real physical art too. Highly encourage you to look into it before making any purchases
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Jan 2, 2017 15:28:57 GMT
How does one attach a picture to one's posts?
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on Jan 2, 2017 18:05:40 GMT
Warrior of Aror: Above the "Quick Reply" box, hit "Reply"- it's on the top of the box, right side, in white letters. That takes you to the advanced post box. In the row of icons at the top of the text box, click the one that looks like a picture- it's the 7th from the right. Make sure that your image is uploaded to some kind of image sharing site, copy the URL of the image, and paste it into the box. Click "done/ok." Poof, done. Alternately, in the row above those icons, click "Add Attachment" and upload the image you want. Click "insert image." Poof, done.
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Jan 2, 2017 21:43:31 GMT
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on Jan 2, 2017 21:58:20 GMT
You're welcome. And cool picture.
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Jan 3, 2017 22:49:18 GMT
Thanks!
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Post by jliessa44 on May 17, 2017 21:03:22 GMT
Leilani Sunblade. Moving the conversation (from pg 16 of writers thread) here as I've belatedly realized I've derailed the thread, but I want to continue the conversation bc I'm enjoying talking about things. I don't really talk about art bc the artists I know tend to search for deep emotional meanings and I'm like "it's a book" -.- Anywho. Most of what I don't like about my style is that it's stiff. My sketches always seem fine but by the time I get to the "final" bit it's just dead. And I honestly don't like the way I draw faces/people. It's hard to describe, but I feel it's too cartoon-y. I think I need to get looser with pieces that I move past sketches with. I also reeeeeaaaaally need to learn better composition and value. I think those are the two that I struggle with the most. And they also seem the most crucial. (Why cruel world) I guess to boil it down, I feel like I've stagnated. I do the same things over and over. I've learned shapes, but I need to get past the shapes now. Or I need to adjust them to be less blocky and more organic?
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on May 17, 2017 22:45:57 GMT
Oh, good, there's actual artists who don't go all "deep and meaningful" when looking at art! That makes me feel better about myself and my fairly literal interpretations of most artwork. xD
Thinking about the art of yours that you've shown me, I think I can understand what you mean about it being cartoon-y. I have noticed it becoming more realistic, though, even just between the picture of Avery and the picture of Audri that you posted on your thread. Also, quick question- what do you mean by "value"? Like color value? Or something else?
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Post by jliessa44 on May 17, 2017 22:59:36 GMT
Critiques were my bane in art classes. Granted, what I drew/painted looked like it probably should have had deeper meaning, but it didn't. Lol. In drawing class I drew three different pictures of fabric that had been draped. And yeah. Someone was like "Why did you choose your subjects, what does this mean to you?" And I stared at her blankly, like the fudge? I picked the fabric because I knew I could draw them and it's just random floating fabric. XD My art teacher laughed. And the same when I had to paint a "self portrait" and I did two books with dramatic lighting. And they were like "how does this represent you?" And I just kinda stared at them and then said. "I like books, so I painted books?" But my painting/drawing style for the classes was waaaaaay more realistic (if a little more fuzzy/less defined) than what I'm trying to develop now.
Light/dark. So pretty much color value. Before I took classes most of what I did was sketches or line art. Occasionally I'd barely shade or do flat color. So I'm kinda new to actually considering value in my work.
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on May 18, 2017 1:11:08 GMT
Oh stars. Sounds like what I'd do, especially the part about the self portraits. xD Anyway. Mildy confused about something: you said earlier that you want to be less cartoon-y, but it also sounds like you're trying to develop a style that's different from the more realistic one you used in the classes? So what kind of style are you aiming for, exactly?
Ahhhhh. Got it.
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Post by jliessa44 on May 18, 2017 1:45:47 GMT
Semi realism. something closer to what webcomics use.
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on May 18, 2017 2:01:18 GMT
I have read webcomics in probably every style there is, but ok, I think I get what you mean.
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Post by jliessa44 on May 18, 2017 2:21:48 GMT
Yeaaah. Shoulda mentioned which ones I was thinking about. *Facepalm* Kinda like Runewriter, The Silver Eye, or Stand Still, Stay Silent. They're all three very different styles, but I kinda want something in between all three.
Eta-Daughter of the Lillies is another one that I love the feel of, but it's more cartoony than what I want to draw myself. Even though the art is gorgeous. Oh. And I love Irene Flores' art and I have her drawing books.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on May 18, 2017 11:39:16 GMT
I think art, in a more philosophical sense of the word, is meant to reveal something about the world as seen through the perspective of the artist. That is to say, creation and the human person hold within themselves a particular beauty that can be captured by the artist in a way that can move the one who receives the art in a personal way. In that sense art refers to "the arts," and the higher worth and responsibility they hold. On the other hand, I don't think all sketches, doodles, and drawings *must* be this way. I don't think you can deny, though, that what seems to motivate the greatest artists in history and what makes their art so powerful is that they attempt to capture reality in a particular way to reveal some truth. That's what makes art beautiful and great, not just good.
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Post by jliessa44 on May 18, 2017 12:13:51 GMT
Tbh I don't know about that. Not all beautiful/great has this deep meaning it's trying to convey. Sometimes it's just showing what exists. If you want to assign it meaning, that's fine. And I do try to evoke feeling in my art, but there rarely deep meaning. Now clearly I'm not a great, but there were some greats out there who were the same.
Art does reflect the artists perspective, and some artists do find great joy in creating meaning for their art and finding it in others. For me, there's really not meaning. I had several people talk to me and tell me what it meant to them, and that's okay. I'm glad they found meaning there. But for me, I draw because I like to, and I paint because I like to. I enjoy it at face value, there's no "and this represents..." and there's no "I drew this to show..." there's "I found this beautiful/unsettling/angry/whatever and I wanted to share with you how I saw it."
If you want to find meaning, that's fine. (You do you, hon) But I don't think that's the Great Purpose of art. Art is supposed to make people happy. I'm the kind of person who is always searching for deeper meaning and connections and patterns in life. But with art, I just kinda let that go. Art is pretty, and sometimes that's all there is. But no meaning doesn't mean that can't evoke emotion.
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on May 18, 2017 12:49:00 GMT
Yeaaah. Shoulda mentioned which ones I was thinking about. *Facepalm* Kinda like Runewriter, The Silver Eye, or Stand Still, Stay Silent. They're all three very different styles, but I kinda want something in between all three. Eta-Daughter of the Lillies is another one that I love the feel of, but it's more cartoony than what I want to draw myself. Even though the art is gorgeous. Oh. And I love Irene Flores' art and I have her drawing books. Ohhhh got it. Thanks; I can picture what you mean now! (The only one of those I've currently read is TSE, but Laura's art is gorgeous, and I looked up the others and added them to my TBR list.) Save
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Post by jliessa44 on May 18, 2017 15:47:46 GMT
I hope you like them. lol. I casually read a lot of webcomics every few weeks, but those are the ones I read each page as they come out.
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on May 18, 2017 15:58:38 GMT
I expect I will; I've enjoyed most of the other-format stories you've recommended. Out of curiosity, what draws you to those particular webcomics more than others?
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Post by jliessa44 on May 18, 2017 16:32:48 GMT
Stand Still, Stay Silent is gorgeous, honestly. The story is good too. And it updates like 4x a week, which helps with the slower pacing. She also did A Redtails Dream, which is completed (that I really liked) and how I found her other webcomic. Pretty clean honestly.
Runewriters is cute as all get out, but still hints at a serious plot. Also, disabled characters, and a grumpy necromancer. It's mostly clean, I don't remember anything not but it's one where I could be forgetting something. XD
And Daughter of the Lillies can be gorey, and it does talk a little bit about homosexuality briefly so far and probably will later. But it's also clean (the characters "cuss" but it's censored. And it's not even the cuss words under the censor bars.) and it's got definite Christian themes that the writer/artist has explicitly said are there because she's Christian. So yeah. The art is adorable. And I ship Thistle and Brent super hard. Also, there are orcs and they're not evil and he has a Russian accent and yeah. I really like it. The story also seems really amazing so far in dealing with things like anxiety and self hatred.
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on May 18, 2017 17:07:30 GMT
Cool beans. 4x a week updates sounds nice . . . most of the webcomics I read, I'm lucky to get one update a week. (Not complaining; I understand that art takes time.) And grumpy necromancers sound like fun. All those sound pretty unique; I look forward to reading them!
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on May 18, 2017 19:49:48 GMT
there's "I found this beautiful/unsettling/angry/whatever and I wanted to share with you how I saw it." That's basically what I'm trying to say. But that in and of itself makes it deeper than face value in my opinion. By sharing something that you put some level of effort or care in, I think you're sharing a little part of yourself.
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Post by jliessa44 on May 18, 2017 19:59:45 GMT
Ah okay. I don't really see that as meaning necessarily, just kinda something that's a part of anything you do. "I like this shirt so I wore it" kinda deal. But I see where you're coming from. I've also gone to a college that's like "if you call it art, it's art". So idk. It even accepts manga/anime which seems like a rarity for schools. I'm probs a little snooty in that I really can't get behind abstract art or senseless gore and I'm not gonna like looking at it, but like if it makes you happy go for it. Little bit of blood, fine. Gushing blood and entrails and knocked out teeth? No can do.
ETA. That's not to say I don't think you put a piece of you in art. But for me I feel like giving it a deep meaning can cheapen it and sound like trying to justify it. (Not that it is, but that's how it is for me.)
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Post by Starsinger on May 18, 2017 20:12:41 GMT
I think the whole need for 'meaning' in art is a relatively modern idea and stupid. There is no deeper meaning in my work, and fortunately people so far have not read into anything, they simply admire the skill and the overall picture.
For my school portfolio in my last year, I did a satire/protesting war theme and there it had meaning, but nt this emotional floof that people love to buy into.
And I hate that the common person seems to think that art without the emotional floof isn't that worthwhile which is why it is ridiculously hard to make a career as an artist if you want to paint landscapes and the like, simply because they're pretty. I would have more of a chance if I get around to selling mine because I like to paint animals, and I use an unusual medium, and people are ridiculously attached to their pets so I could take advantage of that with commissions.
Also because of what I paint, I wouldn't say I put any of me into it-unless you count the pleasure in the detail and actually finishing the piece.
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Post by jliessa44 on May 18, 2017 20:19:14 GMT
I guess there it just depends on what you mean by putting yourself into it. Putting your soul in every good piece? Yeah probably not. I don't. But everything you do is unique to how you see the world. So there I would say you are putting yourself in
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on May 19, 2017 7:43:28 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by 'emotional floof,' but I don't think that you can say having a deeper meaning than "this is a thing I drew and it has face value, that's all," is a modern concept. Michaelangelo's Cistene Chapel, or Rafiel's School of Athens, both painted around 500 years ago, have many more layers than just 'this is a dude reaching towards an old guy with his finger stretched out,' or 'a bunch of people standing in a courtyard.' Maybe that's not what you mean, but that's basically my understanding of what you're saying, so correct me if I'm wrong. I don't mean that you have to have some sort of abstract metaphor or something, and I certainly don't mean you have to put something deeper into commissions or things like that, but I think that oftentimes the art pieces that are remembered for centuries are remembered because they do point to something more. Usually to God. Of course, my art history course was intentionally mixed with philosophy and a search for truth, and I've spent the past semester in Austria and travelling Europe where most of the art I see is in beautiful old churches and is meant to point the viewer to God. I just think, while there is plenty to be said about recognizing the skill of the artist, things like the creation story in the Cistene Chapel are beautiful because the artist isn't saying "look at me and my skills," but rather, "allow me to serve you in the best way I can, by using the talents God gave me to glorify him in a way that can hopefully help bring you closer to him."
That said, I don't mean to actually start an argument hear, and I mean no disrespect. I just want to deliver my angle as clearly as possible. Which I will probably fail at.
Again, I don't mean that it need be abstract or anything like that. But I feel like when you draw for yourself, because you were moved to capture some moment of life or reality in this manner, then your motivation has the potential in and of itself to add more to the piece than just paint on a surface that looks pretty.
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Post by Starsinger on May 19, 2017 8:14:11 GMT
I think I uselessly worded that post as I hadn't been out of bed long o.O Ah, the Cistene Chapel I excluded because it goes under the religious category which is always going to have deeper meaning (which I think I said it did in my above post, and if I didn't I'm an idiot ). I'm actually not familiar with the School of Athens one...not by name anyway, I'm sure I'd know it if I saw it, just currently too lazy to google. It's more just always been an irritation of mine with art theory and the way people look at it nowadays that everything has to have a meaning, not just the piece itself, but this detail or that detail, or this colour. I got the equivalent or straight A's on that sort of stuff in school with pretty much no effort, but that's because I literally just made up a load or rubbish and if you have knack for that then you can get good grades, which I always found silly, but it's what people buy into...hence a pile or rubbish ends up worth millions... I just don't like the notion that everything has to have a meaning -I'm not meaning to assume that that's your view, sorry if it sounds like that.
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