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Post by NightBlade on Jul 17, 2015 16:59:19 GMT
^ That's my view on the subject as well
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Post by Alvar on Jul 17, 2015 18:20:09 GMT
Where did I say that just having the feeling is bad? Not giving into the temptation is one of the steps of repentance. Self control is one of the fruits of the spirit. If they don't give into it, then they aren't committing the sin.
And where did I say that I've never sinned? We've all sinned. It's not hard to see that.
What they've done in the past isn't relevant if they've repented from that sin and are trying to stay away from the temptation.
Note that the verse says "nor men who practice homosexuality."
It does not say "men who feel homosexual inclination."
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Jul 18, 2015 2:36:16 GMT
Alvar said it well on the subject of homosexuality.
I also agree with Ellron's post, but not in the way he said it. Sometimes just wanting things that are evil is as bad as committing it. Look at Colossians 3:5. Conveting your neighbor's house or car (or candy bar) is a sin too (because it is idolatry). The same with lust. Matthew 5:28.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Jul 18, 2015 12:59:39 GMT
Alvar: I never claimed that you did say you were sinless, I simply thought we should make the distinction, as there was a distinction to be made.
Warrior: While this is true, I would argue that feelings like that (envy, covetousness, lust, hate, etc.) are sins because the fleeting feeling has been held onto and nurtured into a sinful desire. True hatred consumes one's thoughts, as with the others, and is continual, unlike fleeting anger that dissipates quickly. The difference is whether you identify and stop these desires before they control you. As with any sin, it can be very difficult to resist the temptation, but with God's grace it becomes easier to focus on Him and say "yes" to Him and "no" to the sin. Think of Catholic priests or persons religious--religious sisters and brothers--who have committed to a life of celibacy. This commitment isn't an easy thing, these people still have a natural sexual desire (which is not an evil thing in and of itself, but can lead to sin when it becomes the focus of one's search for love) but, by focusing and saying yes to God, it is possible.
Basically, whenever you let something of the world take your focus away from God, you sin. And by focusing on God and repenting each time you fall, you can become more and more resistant to sin.
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Jul 18, 2015 22:38:26 GMT
I agree with you there, Ellron. I spoke a bit too broadly.
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Post by Alvar on Jul 22, 2015 20:45:58 GMT
New translation was released. They're calling it the Queen James Version. This is an abomination. They changed the verses so as to eliminate homosexuality as a sin. And as such, they try to change the truth to fit their needs.
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Post by CNGoodhue on Jul 22, 2015 22:14:57 GMT
New translation was released. They're calling it the Queen James Version. This is an abomination. They changed the verses so as to eliminate homosexuality as a sin. And as such, they try to change the truth to fit their needs. the Gay Bible was actually released in 2012, so it's not really that new but yeah, I think it's pretty stupid and that any Christian that uses it is weak-minded. ppl will be ppl tho
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Post by CNGoodhue on Aug 12, 2015 19:34:48 GMT
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 26, 2015 22:05:20 GMT
So were any of you watching the first Republican presidential debates? The first Democratic debate is in about three weeks. I'll certainly be watching that one too.
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Post by CNGoodhue on Sept 26, 2015 22:51:04 GMT
So were any of you watching the first Republican presidential debates? The first Democratic debate is in about three weeks. I'll certainly be watching that one too. Naw, I was watching Harry Potter haha. I heard that Ben Carson is surging to the top tho.
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 27, 2015 13:08:43 GMT
What? You watch that crap instead of the debates? Yeah, Carson has 16%-18% percent in the polls, second only to Donald Trump. Trump's percentages are starting to plummet now. America is finally starting to wake up to his lunacy. But it's really too early to see who will win the nomination. I think Marco Rubio has the best chance of any right now, even though he's not the highest in the polls. Not saying I'm in favor of any of his policies, but he certainly had a very strong performance in the debates.
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Post by NightBlade on Sept 27, 2015 17:53:23 GMT
I got to attend a Ben Carson address live last week. I like him.
So, this quote is pretty good and thought provoking (or maybe just provoking) "How is it that womens' reproductive systems are 0% my business and 100% my financial responsibility?"
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 27, 2015 18:19:45 GMT
Carson would be a great president. That's awesome you got to see him.
The thing I don't like about him are his stubbornness to ignore political correctness (a necessary evil?). Just last week he said that he would be against any Muslim becoming president . . . that's antagonizing. And if he keeps talking like that, he's going to alienate a lot of voters.
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Post by CNGoodhue on Sept 27, 2015 19:18:29 GMT
Harry Potter is actually really good. xD
And yeah, Trump definitely isn't my favorite candidate and I think he's way overrated. But I guess anyone is better than Obama haha. I'd like to see Ben Carson or Ted Cruz in office.
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 27, 2015 19:32:52 GMT
Anyone would be better than Obama? Not anyone. Not Hillary Clinton. I haven't trusted Cruz since I learned he voted in favor of the renewal of the Patriot Act. The Senator who filibustered it, and actually changed the outcome of the vote - Kentucky Senator Rand Paul - he would make a great president. I've been watching him for three years or more, and I was absolutely ecstatic when he announced that he was running for president. I just really hope he can pull through and grab the nomination - his campaign hasn't been going so well this summer.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Sept 29, 2015 13:44:22 GMT
What is the patriot act, exactly?
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Post by NightBlade on Sept 29, 2015 16:29:58 GMT
Does it involve Patriot Surface-to-Air-Missiles?
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Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Sept 29, 2015 18:07:25 GMT
I hope Ben Carson becomes president. We need men of faith like him running this country.
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Post by CNGoodhue on Sept 29, 2015 18:24:10 GMT
I hope Ben Carson becomes president. We need men of faith like him running this country. Obama's of faith, he's just of Islamic faith. xD I mean, it's pretty obvious that he's a Muslim. Changing his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama; the good old Freudian slip where he "accidentally" mentions his Muslim faith (and then has to be corrected by the interviewer that he actually means his "Christian faith"); and also this: freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/contrast-barack-obamas-quotes-islam-quotes-christianity/There's more stuff out there on the subject, but I thought I'd just point those things out. :P
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 29, 2015 18:52:32 GMT
The Patriot Act is what the National Security Agency tried to use to legitimize their bulk data collection programs, without even a single warrant. Section 215 of the Patriot Act is what the whole phone data collection scandal was over. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_summary_of_the_Patriot_Act, Senator Rand Paul filibustered the renewal of the Patriot Act on May 20th for ten and a half hours, which forced the Act to expire. That's one of the reasons I fully support Rand Paul. He was the guy that actually stood up against this madness. Unfortunately, Congress later passed the USA Freedom Act, which is essentially the same thing but supposedly limits how the NSA collects the data. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_ActCNGoodhue: I would be wary of anyone who tells you that Obama is a Mohammedan.
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Post by CNGoodhue on Sept 29, 2015 20:42:32 GMT
The Patriot Act is what the National Security Agency tried to use to legitimize their bulk data collection programs, without even a single warrant. Section 215 of the Patriot Act is what the whole phone data collection scandal was over. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_summary_of_the_Patriot_Act, Senator Rand Paul filibustered the renewal of the Patriot Act on May 20th for ten and a half hours, which forced the Act to expire. That's one of the reasons I fully support Rand Paul. He was the guy that actually stood up against this madness. Unfortunately, Congress later passed the USA Freedom Act, which is essentially the same thing but supposedly limits how the NSA collects the data. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_ActCNGoodhue: I would be wary of anyone who tells you that Obama is a Mohammedan. ;) I guess I shouldn't claim to know where Obama's heart lies, but he sure doesn't act like a Christian what with abortion, gay marriage, etc.
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 29, 2015 22:34:04 GMT
If Obama were really a Muslim, he would rip to shreds anyone who was in favor of homosexuality. Their religion is ultra-conservative. I've always assumed that he's just one of that growing majority of people in America - he doesn't have any particular religion to follow, and he doesn't really care.
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Post by CNGoodhue on Sept 29, 2015 22:57:24 GMT
If Obama were really a Muslim, he would rip to shreds anyone who was in favor of homosexuality. Their religion is ultra-conservative. I've always assumed that he's just one of that growing majority of people in America - he doesn't have any particular religion to follow, and he doesn't really care. Hmm, that makes sense. The whole "hey guys, I'm running for president and I'm religious" thing does seem to be a trend among politicians as a way to get votes.
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Post by WookieeElf on Sept 29, 2015 23:12:38 GMT
If Obama were really a Muslim, he would rip to shreds anyone who was in favor of homosexuality. Their religion is ultra-conservative. I've always assumed that he's just one of that growing majority of people in America - he doesn't have any particular religion to follow, and he doesn't really care. Hmm, that makes sense. The whole "hey guys, I'm running for president and I'm religious" thing does seem to be a trend among politicians as a way to get votes. Yeah, that seems to be a thing. Then again, once someone says they're Christian, everyone else just goes bonkers on them. TBH I'm just waiting for our First Lady announce that she's running to be the First Lady President. Seems like something she'd do.
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Post by Elytra on Sept 30, 2015 18:40:53 GMT
This is quite an interesting conversation.
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 30, 2015 23:18:25 GMT
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Post by NightBlade on Oct 1, 2015 4:02:42 GMT
Left wing said they'd abolish poverty. Right wing said they'd abolish beurocracy. Odin said he'd abolish the ice jotuns. Do you see any ice jotuns? ME NEITHER. VOTE ODIN FOR OFFICE
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Post by CNGoodhue on Oct 2, 2015 18:21:56 GMT
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Oct 2, 2015 21:21:42 GMT
I agree with that Glenn Beck video. The Republican Party is rotten and I would never support the establishment, Democratic or Republican, as they are now.
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Post by CNGoodhue on Oct 3, 2015 23:13:00 GMT
Yeah, both parties are pretty corrupt. Although I'm not a big fan of Russia, I have to applaud them for this: www.rt.com/news/317505-air-force-terrorists-raqqa/ Also I think that Putin is in the right with the Assad vs. the rebels issue. Choosing the lesser of two evils.
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