I really don't like Donald Trump, and I hope people don't make the mistake of putting him in the WH. Sure, he's better than Obama, but did anyone ever teach him about common decency...? There's a difference between political correctness and just having manners. It's like all he knows how to do is insult.
CNGoodhue: I heard some people say that he's been talking about illegal immigrants and African Americas like Hitler talked about the Jews. I couldn't look up sources, though... But yeah, I don't want him in office. The man is a TV celebrity, not a politician.
Post by Warrior of Aror on Jan 19, 2016 16:46:31 GMT
Trust me, Trump would be worse than anybody ... except maybe Hillary.
So, did anyone watch the Republican and Democratic debates? I skipped the Republican one in support of Rand Paul's Rand Rally, but I did watch the Democratic one. Also the Iowa Caucasus is approaching very quickly. Predictions?
This is actually an interesting read. As I have started to dig more into the world of politics, the whole abortion war is one thing that really stands out, and I'm not surprised. As Christians, we believe that life starts at conception, and the pro-choice people try to come up with arguments that discourage it.
On Instagram I stumbled on a major Pro-Choice page. Since I was curious to know what their standing was on certain things, I asked them a question "If a micro-organism on Mars is considered life, why isn't a fertilized egg/fetus considered the same?". They dismissed it by saying it was 'an old argument' and that I should read the blog above to 'educate' myself. I scrolled through the blog—they specifically stated that an unfertilized egg was alive, and had the potential to become a baby. I pointed this out, and they exploded. They accused me of not reading it properly, that if I was so against killing 'cells' that I shouldn't wash my face or support people who want to get sterilized, bashed me because I was homeschooled—they even searched up my Facebook profile. Before I could respond properly I was blocked, and then they made a post about me with select snippets of our conversation that put it entirely out of context.
I told my parents and they were actually proud of me for standing up for what I believed in. So yeah, it's always a good idea to know what your opponents know, so you can have a response ready when they make the same arguments.
Post by Ellron Silvertree on Aug 11, 2016 1:26:45 GMT
It's interesting how people react irrationally when they feel strongly about something but have no way to refute a valid argument. I've always found it odd when I see so much aggression from those who propagate 'tolerance'.
Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Aug 11, 2016 3:18:15 GMT
Sounds a lot like the strategy devout atheists use when they're confronted with a debate they can't win. Most of they'll time they will go ad hominem and start attacking their opponent, often using the straw man fallacy as well as others. They seem to think that making their opponent look stupid and "uneducated" makes them win by default.
Sometimes it seems like it takes more faith to be an evolutionist than a Christian! xP
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Ah gotcha. I'm definitaly pro life, but my difference with a lot of conservies is that I don't think we should straight up outlaw it. I absoultely don't think it should be legislated for, heck no. But I don't think it should be outlawed because that's not our place as Christians to forcefully separate people from their poor decisions. What we should do is show them the alternative and not force it. Some people believe that abortion is the only good option and nothing we say will change it.
Ni su'cuyi, gar kyr'adyc, ni partayli, gar darasuum.
Abortion is murder anyway you look at it. It's not just a "poor decision" and it has more weight than that. It's not quite the same as murder because it's not always with the knowing intention of ending human life, but it's not merely a poor decision.
Post by Warrior of Aror on Aug 12, 2016 1:33:47 GMT
That is a reasonable and balanced perspective, NightBlade. I would tend to agree with you. Except this. If the premise is right that life does begin at conception as we say it does, then the mother (or the doctor, or both) is actually murdering them. What should happen to murderers? Isn't it a Christian's responsibility to do all he can that people are not murdered? I mean, there is no logical middle ground here, sadly. (EDIT) What Liessa said. ^
Honestly, I don't know if life begins at conception. I don't know. I think that a lot of what people on both sides say are flimsy arguments at best. To be honest, pro-abortion people have a lot of good points. Technically, from what I understand, and what my (pro-life) biology curriculum (inadvertently) has taught me, unborn children don't count as 'living' things, using a very strict technical definition.
However, that said, I am pro-life pretty much for this one reason: I would rather air on the side of life. If an issue is this debatable, if unborn children are children, and it makes common sense that they would be, I think it's so much better to be safe than make this great of an error.
Oh, undoubtedly murder. But then again, so is hatred against someone. Both technically damnable sins. And maybe it sounds awful, but I wouldn't treat someone entering an abortion clinic the same way I'd treat a person murdering another person on the same city block. I'd beat the murderer into a pulp faster than you can scratch your nose, but as for the woman...I wouldn't attack. I wouldn't yell, I wouldn't hit her with a Bible and I wouldn't take her the court and accuse her of murder. What I would do is talk to her...try to reason with her that there is another way. That the life inside her is important and deserves a chance
Ni su'cuyi, gar kyr'adyc, ni partayli, gar darasuum.
I don't think it matters whether they're "alive" or not by a technical definition when they're aborted. If you abort, then you have prevented a human being from living. Additionally, the majority of abortions occur after you can reasonably identify the baby as a human being. There are plenty of testimonies from abortion survivors that you can find where they say that they are so grateful that God saved them from abortion.
I don't remember the name of the video, but I watched one when I went through training for our local crisis pregnancy center where there were testimonies by the children who occurred through rape or incest/rape, by the women who went through that and were grateful they carried the children to term for whatever reason, and the women who were hurt physically and psychologically by carrying out their abortions all the way through. It was really powerful.
The fact remains that abortion is not a good option. It prevents life and it damages the woman who has bought into the lie that she and the baby are better off after an abortion.
NightBlade. I would like to point out where I said it shouldn't be treated the same as willful murder.
Post by Ellron Silvertree on Aug 12, 2016 1:54:34 GMT
Out of curiosity, what definition is that? I think as Christians we can also take into our own understanding what it says in the Bible, particularly: "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you." This at the very least heavily suggests that God imbues a human with a soul as early as conception, if you ask me. Aviar, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Catholic Church teaches that even all miscarried children, but to mentioned aborted, have a soul and are in heaven praying for us.
I didn't mean it in that way. Um... I mean, if you conceive and then abort, you're stopping a process that will lead to a living being. If you are celibate, you're not initiating the process. Does that make sense? I just don't know how to say it other than preventing life.
Post by Ellron Silvertree on Aug 12, 2016 2:14:58 GMT
Celibacy doesn't prevent life, it refrains from partaking in the act of creating life. This isn't a great analogy, but if you don't fill a balloon with helium you aren't party to preventing it from reaching the ceiling, you simply aren't partaking in the process that would lead to it reaching the ceiling. Now, of you filling it with helium and then held it down, you *would* be preventing it, because you are denying the natural course of events as set in motion. For the record, I am also morally opposed to contraception, but for reasons that are slightly different, if similar.
Whoops, I sort of forgot that Jliessa just said this same thing. Heh heh.
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