Post by Merenwen Inglorion on Dec 30, 2015 5:09:17 GMT
I saw that one coming. The choice of words, the lighting (and the slight changes from EU)...it all pointed down that path. I'm both happy (because I saw it coming and it makes sense) and sad (because...I mean, who wouldn't be sad about that?).
'Nearly they fell who stand, And with cold after fear Look back to mark how near They grazed the Sirens' land, Wondering that subtle fate, By threads so spidery fine, The choice of ways so small, the event so great, Should thus entwine.' -The Pilgrim's Regress, p. 181
The story was strongly (and intentionally) reminiscent of the original Star Wars, which I could find both pros and cons for. I have to say I expected it to be similar to Star Wars, and I was right in that regard, so you could call the movie predictable in that regard. Still, it wasn't immediately obvious. The power of Starkiller Base was incredible. The suspense was done well. I half expected the Resistance planet would be destroyed. There was a much weaker sense of victory in this movie compared to the original film…I guess the part about finding Luke at the end helped to give a better sense of closure, but certain events earlier in the story still shadow it severely.
Maz Kanata was one of my favourite new characters along with Finn. Kylo Ren was an awesome villain because of his strength in the Force—I mean, stopping blaster bolts in midair?—his occasional temper tantrums, and over all his struggle between the Dark Side and the Light Side. Rey was good, but she's a bit too mysterious for me to back her every move. Looking forward to the rest of the trilogy to clear up her backstory. I would have liked to have seen more with both Poe Dameron and Maz.
Anyone else think Snoke looks like Azog? And Luke looks so much like Ben with a beard, but his hair and eyes are still Luke's.
And something else I just realised…just before the Han/Kylo scene that has been discussed here, night falls on Starkiller Base as the superweapon devours the last of the sun—and the Dark Side devours the last of the light within Kylo Ren.
Mostly my thoughts as well, except mine are a bit more negatively tinged x) I liked the callbacks, but I thought the *ahem* aforementioned SK base and R planet were just too much. I thought Kylo was great for the first half (I think h that was actually a bluebolt blaster too!) but once the helmet came off I couldn't take him seriously anymore. And Rey really annoyed me. But I loved the other characters! And the gunfights were amazing (made up for the crappy duel)
Yeah, I think the SK base was overdoing it a bit much. If they hadn't had the Death Star II in E6, I think it would have been fine, but three of them…okay, that's a few too many superweapons.
I'd say Kylo's helmet is an important part of his story. You see him masked and faceless like Darth Vader at the beginning of the movie, and you see his power there; but when he's interrogating Rey and he removes the mask, you see him unmasked, his emotions, his humanity, his weakness. Also remember that Kylo's character arc is just beginning—he's not yet a Darth Vader, not yet a faceless terror known all across the galaxy. This movie introduced his setup and his complete surrender to the dark side. As the series progresses, I think he'll be either wearing his helmet more and more—remaining feared in the safety of his mask—or wearing it less and less, displaying his emotions freely and chilling his opponents with his fallen humanity. Just my thoughts on Kylo. (And his temper tantrums while he's wearing the mask are frightening.)
I liked Kylo a lot because he wasn't one of those "perfect" villains like, i.e., Sauron. You saw that with his tantrums (slashing up computer consoles and basically destroying an entire room). He also looked a bit like Severus Snape. lol
Okay. Just saw it today, and I like it. I thought it was good, but I'm not satisfied.
So, SPOILER... (I'll edit in spoiler what-have-yous later)
1. I thought Kylo was a weak villain. His temper tantrums were childish, he was defeated by Rey (aka Luke's supposed daughter. Because they hinted so strong she just about had to be) without her having any training. Plus he basically hero worships Vader, but newsflash. Vader was supremely unhappy his whole dingdong life and was only happy at his death when he died good. Soooo.... Why does he admire Vader so much? You can't tell me he doesn't know all that, he was raised by Han/Leia and trained by Luke. Pretty sure they would have told him. Also, he looks like Prince Caspian. But he has Anakin's hair. And all the throwbacks to Anakin's storyline were fairly heavy handed. When Rey almost killed him I seriously expected for him to scream "I hate you!" Like Ani did. So yeah, not a fan of Kylo. (Also, he was trained by Krone who is either chancellor Palpatine(sp?) or is a chancellor wannabe. And I'm pretty sure its the chancellor. )
2. I actually liked Ray. She was strong, but without stinking of "girl power only girls can do the right thing". I didn't like how she had like zero training and then suddenly was able to do mind tricks because wow we can beat wimpy Kylo. Yeah. Ummm. I hated her little sash thing that crossed over her chest. I love the rest of that costume, and the gray one too. But the sash thing with the loop really really bothered me. That and her dinosaur hair. Also, I felt she forgave Fin a little quicker than she should have.
3. Which brings me to Fin. While arguably my favorite addition to the franchise and second/third-ish favorite character overall, I kinda felt he needed to have a little more emotion when killing the buddies he trained with like 5ever. (Also, it took me embarrassingly long to figure they'd stopped cloning because when I saw him I just assumed that they'd run out of Fett DNA and used some other poor sap. ) but it was like we had that dramatic moment where the one clone died and got blood on his armor and then he switched sides and didn't care anymore.
4. I felt it was right for Han to die. Kill me, but yeah.
5. I basically hate Luke now. I've never liked him much, and this was all I needed to realize that he was stupider than I thought. Though I'm sure there's a noble reason he ran off that we just don't know yet.
6. We were doing good with the movie, we were and then.... We built another Death Star. A big one, but nonetheless another Death Star. Gah!
7. I did actually like the movie I swear, but it's easier to talk about what I disliked rather than what I liked. (Han and Chewie (when Han was alive) that new Mags alien. Wish she'd been in the other movies honestly. Um.... I liked C3PO's red arm. I liked that new droid. It looked like a chubby snowman droid. And it was positively adorable going downstairs. (One of my favorite parts.) I really liked the new bad non force general bad guy whose name I forget/maybe never caught? I thought he was played well.
Have you seen the Lego Star Wars thing? I think this is what this was in, but there's a part in something where the Death Star gets destroyed and Vader tells the Chancellor that he's proud of him because "A lesser emperor might have built another Death Star." And then the chancellor goes "I built another Death Star." And Vader claps and is like "oh wow. What a good idea."
Yeah. That's what this movie felt like almost. I really liked it, but I'm not sure we could necessarily call it a new plot. XD
Post by Dmitri Pendragon on Jan 4, 2016 0:53:09 GMT
Palpatine: I have a plan to get rid of the Rebels for destroying the Death Star. Vader: Bold thinking, my master. A lesser emperor would have done something stupid, like build another Death Star! Palpatine: I shall build another Death Star! Vader: Best idea ever!
Papa pointed out that Luke was near tears when he saw her. That makes him believe she's his daughter. WHAT IF: Rey was going to be a Jedi. She was very young, and her parents were already receiving training from Luke. One of them has a vision (which would explain why her visions were so strong when she touched the lightsaber) and they send Rey away to protect her from Ben, who becomes Kylo Ren and destroys pretty much every Force-Sensitive that Luke was training...except Rey. To protect her further, they wiped her memories of her Jedi training, and of themselves. That's why Luke recognizes her—she was only a youngling when he last saw her, and he thought she had died.
I think it would be fun. XP Also, I've seen many convincing arguments for it. And, honestly, it wouldn't be a surprise if she was Skywalker/Solo. I want to go into the theater for Episode 8 and have people shout "THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE" like Luke did in 5 instead of "I KNEW IT." 'Cause, honestly, I would not be shocked in the slightest if they revealed that Rey is part of the family tree. Too suggestive in my opinion. Also, there are rumors of an Obi-wan standalone movie, so that could explain it... NightBlade: I did the math. Rey's mother would've been born during the Dark Times, so it's entirely possible that Obi-wan married someone while on Tatooine, and that she left him before the whole thing in A New Hope.
My dad also thinks that Rey is related to Obi Wan in some way. Personally, I'm not sure, but I've read some pretty good stuff about her being a Solo--Han's daughter and thus Kylo Ren's sister. This could also explain why Kylo wants Rey so much (smashing up the computers) and taking her alive instead of just killing her, etc.
Maybe... the feeling I got when I watched it was that he somehow knew something about Rey--which would make sense if she was his sister--and that was why he went smash. He'd already heard that the others had escaped.
I'm pretty sure Ren knew her, and I stand by my previois guess of her parentage. I would say she's not a Solo because neither Han nor Leia reacted to seeing her. If she had been his you'd've thought Han would say "Hey, you're about the same age as the daughter I missplaced x years ago."
On a logical basis I agree with you jliessa44. However, on a I-wouldn't-put-it-past-Disney basis, I wouldn't put it past them to hide it just for the sake of a super cheesy "surprise" in the next movie *rolls eyes*
Ni su'cuyi, gar kyr'adyc, ni partayli, gar darasuum.
Does that mean.....Finn is a Skywalker?? O____O Jk I mean, I liked him, or rather I liked his potential. I just get the feeling that they were making a point by nerfing him every time he got close to Rey.
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