Okay I'm really Team Cap. I never agreed with the whole registering the supers thing. If their secret identities were made public, what's going to protect their families and loved ones from being hurt by the villains? And if you try to contain the heroes, how can they help people and do their job if they're waiting for a response to their request to do something? That's just my take on it.
Lol. xD *Iron Man suit forms around my body* Our views are mortally incompatible. The only way to resolve this argument is to rip the country apart and kill each others' sidekicks and/or love interests. *faceplate clamps on*
Post by Ellron Silvertree on Mar 25, 2016 4:54:07 GMT
I think I'm on Cap's side, but I don't think the issue is nearly that simple. There are also multiple factors that are big influences on either side, but the main issues aren't quite the same as in the comics. Secret identities aren't really an issue in the MCU, so it's not exactly the same. And while Wookiee makes good points, there's also the other side of it, which is the supers are, in fact, dangerous. Injustice is a great example of what happens when a super decides he knows what's best for the world. And remember, Tony is the only one who's actually had to put down an Avenger(*SPOILER AGREE OF ULTRON*he had to take out Hulk in Ultron*END SPOILER*), so he has more if a sense of what could happen if any of them went rogue. And he has to deal with the emotional ramifications of Ultron. He's position is built up really well in the movies, actually. Especially if you watch all 12 of them is just over two days.
@ellron Those are some good points, I agree with some of them... But what Tony hasn't experienced is losing a friend/family member to his superhero status. Steve has. Wanda has. Hawkeye's and Ant-Man's families are on the line. Bucky is all that Steve has from his past, and Sam's like a brother. Tony has Pepper, yeah, but she can take care of herself (as seen in all Iron Man movies). Natasha has no one, Vision is loyal to his creator, Rhodey is the Sam Wilson of the team, but has no family ties anywhere.
Post by Ellron Silvertree on Mar 25, 2016 13:32:36 GMT
Oh yeah, that's actually a really good point, about the families. I hadn't thought of that. I still think this new movie isn't about revealing their identities, though, so much as super hero registration--where all supers and inhumans have to register with some governmental power and give a list of their powers--and basically working for some government. Suffice to say, Tony and Cap both have very strong reasons for what they believe.
Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Mar 30, 2016 17:06:21 GMT
I think neither are really in the right, but from what I saw in the preview of Civil War it looks like Cap's loyalty to Bucky has become an obsession. Yes, he's cap's friend, but he's caused a lot of problems throughout history and needs to answer for his crimes, even if he was brainwashed the whole time. Even though I don't doubt cap's character, most would see him helping a wanted fugitive, no matter who they are, as an injustice, prompting some to push the whole registration thing. Meanwhile several of cap's friends like Natasha and Tony are trying to talk sense into him, but it seems like he won't listen. Therefore I think cap is the one who is in the wrong, mainly because of his defiance in the whole matter and how he's disregarded his other friends in favor of Bucky.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Apr 5, 2016 14:59:06 GMT
See, the thing is, because the MCU has taken so many liberties(being it's own universe and all), I'm honestly not sure what to expect, even though I know what happens in the comics. So I'm still nervous.
Post by Ellron Silvertree on Apr 7, 2016 0:22:24 GMT
Jliessa: Not exactly, but it really isn't a morally upstanding movie. If it at all accurately reflects what I know about Deadpool(and I have been told it does), it is hilarious but completely inappropriate.
@warrior of Aror: I saw Beyond the Mask! I thought it was really good. I want to see it again... but I don't know when or if they're going to release it on DVD or instant video. Do you?
I wish the Deadpool movie had been a little less true to the inappropriateness of his character. Then I could actually watch it. He's hilarious, but totally unwholesome. I really enjoy watching the kid-friendly versions of him. The concept of his character is very interesting, for the most part.
Having watched the movie, watched it opening day actually but forgot this was here, I'm Iron Man's 'side'. The Avengers need oversight. Probably not the UN, but they do need over sight. And Cap is extremely, horribly arrogant to think that himself and his friends are going to think of every possibility, be able to plan for every contingency, and keep civilians safe. They can't. They need someone else to be running a buffer between the fight and civilians. And they need the opinions and ideas of "outsiders".
That being said. The UN is probably not the oversight they need.
While I agree that they need some sort of oversight, I'm still with Cap. What they need is someone with them to be their 'conscience' as they work, not the UN who has to meet and vote on every single move the Avengers make.
Overall, I loved the movie. My cousin said it was the 'most Marvel movie of the Marvel movies', and I have to agree. I wonder when I can see it again...
Elethia Arvell Yeah, I'm with you there. That was certainly not the best movie I've seen...but at least it wasn't the worst
jliessa44 and WookieeElf I watched the movie knowing what was supposed to happen and most of what was actually going to happen, and I had to end up on Cap's side when all was said and done. Because put succinctly, the Avengers do what government cannot both in capacity and on efficiency, and with the pureness of motive and objectiveness that government cannot not have.
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