Post by Dmitri Pendragon on Dec 20, 2017 4:45:35 GMT
I was quite surprised when I learned that Jar Jar was universally reviled. I understand why people react to him as they do, but I'm still not convinced that I should hate him, and I do like him in 1. Not 2 or 3 though. He's less a character and more a face + speaking style then.
Post by Elethia Arvell on Dec 20, 2017 6:40:12 GMT
I still find him amusing, but I don't like him the way I used to as a kid. These days I understand how he kind of interrupts the flow of the story, even though he does become important when it comes to recruiting the help of the Gungans in Ep. 1.
She'll come at dusky first of day, white over yellow harvest song Upon her dewy rainbow way She shall be beautiful and strong..
I like a lot of what you guys said, and you do definitely give some plausible answers to some of my problems - particularly with the dark force under the island, I like what you said about that, Dmitri.
Concerning the subplot with Finn, Rose and Poe, I agree that it does show us who they are, but there are so many other ways that they could have equally done this without having a plot that does nothing to move the story along. Maybe they could have made Rose a hacker, and with Finn's janitory knowledge they could have found some way to accomplish what happened without having to fly out to a totally new planet, where ultimately all they do is free some animals. (As a side note, Rose says this makes the whole trip worth it, but when you think about it, that really doesn't make sense at all, since these animals are basically just horses being kept in a stable, and so what Rose does in setting them free could even be seen as akin to stealing. And so this whole thing kind of turns into some bizarre animal rights thing, which if the animals were fully sentient beings would make sense, but if they're just like horses comes off as pretty weird when you think about it.) Anyway, I think they could have done the same character development without even bringing this whole subplot into it.
Rose in particular I thought was weird at times. She starts off by calling Finn a traitor for trying to leave the ship, but then when he's about to do something heroic and sacrifice himself to save the Resistance (the same thing that when Holdo did it it was portrayed as being really great) she rams him off course and thus essentially lets most of the Resistance die, simply because she has her own selfish reason that she likes him. Now in some cases I think what Rose did would be fine, but in this case in particular she seems to just not care about the rest of the Resistance about to be destroyed by the battering cannon, but instead cares only about herself and her own reasons for saving Finn. (You could say she was trying to make Finn follow orders, but she disobeyed her own orders to go back and save him, which kinda makes this point invalid). And this is totally hypocritical of her, because she was so mad at Finn when she thought he was leaving, abandoning the Resistance for his own selfish reasons, crying about her sister and contrasting Finn's actions with her heroic death (which it was), and then she does exactly the same thing. She abandons and disobeys the Resistance, leaving them to die, for her own selfish reasons.
Finally, concerning Rey and all her abilities - I do agree that some of what you guys say are plausible explanations for how she got her abilities, but if that's the case then they need to at least show her learning and gaining these abilities a little bit. In the original trilogy we follow Luke closely and grow with him as he grows throughout all his training and experiences. With Rey on the other hand, we don't go through this at all. We essentially don't ever see her make any mistakes throughout either of the two films. And so even though she's a likable character in a lot of ways, I find it really hard to relate to her at all. And having said that, there are plenty of things she's good at without any training whatsoever:
According to Wookieepedia, she's only ever flown once before the Falcon, and other than that she's just used a flight simulator. However when she hops in the Falcon she's somehow able to understand all the ancient controls and mechanisms, and ends up flying the ship even better than Solo himself before she even discovers she has the force. The stuff she does when escaping the Tie Fighters is incredible for an inexperienced pilot. She's then able to beat Kylo Ren with a saber - a force user so strong in the dark side that Luke was about to kill him (another out of character thing for Luke, given he was the only one who still saw any good in Vader back in Ep. 6) and who's been training for years under Luke - and then able to fight of all of Snoke's guards after only minimal training with the saber. She can lift an insane amount of rocks with minimal effort (compare this to Luke in Empire, and you'll see that even after a ton of training he's still struggling with lifting much smaller things). She somehow understands Wookiee despite never having seen one before. And she just suddenly becomes this great jedi with almost no training whatsoever - she has two of Luke's three short lessons (what was the third?), and now she's suddenly the next great hero of the galaxy. Before the Empire, force users were trained since childhood to become great and strong Jedi. Luke trained for years with greatest Jedi master in the galaxy. Rey trains for two days with someone who doesn't even want to teach her and barely gives her any lessons, and then she ends up stronger than pretty much anyone before her. Those are things that I don't think even "having the force" can explain. I was hoping that perhaps she had some extremely strong parental lineage to help explain her abilities but that hasn't happened either.
So yeah, I guess those are my main thoughts right now, and again, I would be happy to hear any more plausible explanations or responses. I know it also kind of sounds like I hated the movie, but I actually really enjoyed it . I'm just keen on having a discussion about the things I feel were strong weaknesses.
EDIT: Oh, and ever since reading the Darth Jar Jar theory, I love Jar Jar Binks.
Post by Elethia Arvell on Dec 20, 2017 20:34:55 GMT
My brother is a firm believer in the Darth Jar Jar theory. I feel guilty, since I'm the one who introduced him to it. XD
A lot of the points that you bring up I don't really feel will ever be given a better explanation than they already have in-film. Like I said, the Force is going to have to explain most of what Rey does. She was using it the whole time without knowing it. She only recognized it when Kylo Ren interrogated her for the first time. I don't go into reading much of the expanded universe stuff from Wookiepedia, so my knowledge of this new trilogy is restricted to what is seen in the movies. Therefore, I can't comment on Rey's previous training/abilities etc. I just assumed she must have flown other ships for the guy she was sold to, and had a natural gift for it.
For her ability with the lightsaber, we have the fact that she's been shown to be an accomplished fighter on Jakku. Using a staff is vastly different from using a sword, but who knows- maybe she's practiced with a couple different weapons, and the staff just happens to be her favorite. Either way, we again have the Force to explain why she could hold her own against the (injured and emotionally unbalanced) Kylo in the forest. Also, he was trying not to kill her during that fight, so I don't think he was going as hard on her as he would have otherwise. Like he did with Fin. And with her fight with the praetorian guards.... again.... I'm gonna have to credit that to the Force. I'm not saying that's a perfect explanation, and if I'd written the story I'd have probably had more training time for her, but oh well. It just means she's AWESOME with the Force. I wish I could be like that. XD
I think Luke was hampered by his reluctance to believe and trust in the Force. Sure he believed in it enough to access it, and he truly wanted to become a master, but he also had the voice of his uncle in his head saying "This can't be possible." He was his own worst enemy at times. I don't think Rey has that same kind of doubt- I think she's not as inhibited as he was, which may be why she's able to lift the rocks with ease. Yoda suggests to Luke in Episode 5 that it is his unbelief that hinders him from accessing his full powers.
Rose- I think her actions were definitely a double-standard. She should have allowed Fin to sacrifice himself- it would have saved so many other lives. But I think that's part of her flawed character. Keep in mind that she's in the middle of grieving a recently-killed sister, and she's probably not thinking very clearly. Maybe she found she didn't have the strength to watch another person she cared for die, regardless of the consequences of saving him. Holdo's sacrifice was heroic, and Fin's would have been too. But Rose couldn't let it happen, and her speech about fighting by "Protecting what we love, not destroying what we hate"is a resolve that she's had to make in the wake of her sister's death.
Fin and Rose's excursion on the casino planet may not have moved the plot forward, but the characters thought it would. When their plan failed, the purpose it served was to show that the Resistance had done everything in their power to avoid destruction, and their actions had come to naught. It was to show that sometimes even the best of plans fails. The heroes don't always win. What this does for the audience is it shows us that we can't necessarily count on the victory we hope for. Take Marvel movies for instance- the villains have phenomenal destructive powers. They threaten not just the earth, but the entire Universe. But do we fear for our heroes? No. Not really. Because the villains are so powerful, and yet they never seem to do all that much damage. Oh sure, they knocked down a couple of buildings in New York, and that poor city in Avengers 2 was unfortunate. But it doesn't feel personal. We don't lose anyone we care about personally, except for Quicksilver, who we'd only just met anyway. But with this latest Star Wars movie, we see our heroes trying, as they always do. We think, Oh, it will be hard, a close call, but they'll make it. They always do. But then they fail! And they try another plan, and it fails too! With every failure there's just enough success to keep our hope alive for the next plan, but in the end it all proves useless. This shows us that the bad guys actually have an affect. They're not just destroying distant planets... they're destroying our people. It hurts, and it makes the conflict and struggle of the war real for us. That's the purpose of the unsuccessful subplots of our secondary characters.
I feel like the Horse/Wolf things were fully sentient. They looked like it, with their nuanced facial expressions. The whole "Now it's worth it" line was cheesy, I'll grant you that. But then again, Star Wars has always had some kinda cheesy lines. It's part of the feel of the story.
Post by Dmitri Pendragon on Dec 20, 2017 21:13:12 GMT
I love the Darth Jar Jar theory and I wish George Lucas had used it, but at the same time I see why it didn't make commercial sense.
I like your explanation of the Canto Bight (the casino planet) subplot, Elethia. I think the purpose for the failure is thematic; it's what the heroes thought would work, and it didn't, but they did their best with the time and resources they had.
Post by Aviar Goldeneagle on Dec 21, 2017 9:43:07 GMT
Elethia Arvell: You brought up some more good points, but concerning Rey, I think even if we just say "the Force" is why she's great, we still need to be shown more of her learning how to harness it. Luke had to learn even after he discovered he had it, and he was the same age as Rey when he discovered it within him. Anakin was extremely strong in the force and even he had to train for years under Obi Wan, and then he still wasn't skilled enough to defeat Obi Wan in a fight. And that's the problem. Rey hops in the Millennium Falcon and pilots with some insane skills. The fact that we have to end up saying "well, she must just be awesome with the Force" takes away any relation we can feel with Rey and kind of feels like just a cop out. We don't even have any explanation as to why she's so awesome with the Force - we just have to accept that she is and let that explain everything, even though other force users in earlier movies had to train for years to become anywhere near as proficient as she is.
You make a good point about Luke and why he might not be able to access the force so easily in the beginning. Although still, when we compare Rey to other force users, she's just so much better than everyone with any training. Anakin had the highest midichlorian of anyone ever recorded (he was literally conceived by them), but even he had to go through years of training. Rey had parents who were nobodies and she doesn't even need to train at all.
Concerning Rose, what you say may well be true, but my problem is that the movie portrays what Rose did as a great and heroic thing. When clearly it's hypocritical and wrong. And what she says about "Protecting what we love, not destroying what we hate", doesn't even make any sense when you think about it. If you remember back in TFA, Finn says that he "has nothing to fight for". He tries to leave the Resistance at Maz Kanata's castle, and he only goes to Starkiller base because he wants to save Rey. Now finally in this movie he has something to fight for. He's no longer doing these things for himself. He's fighting for the Resistance, and he tries to sacrifice himself to save them, to protect what he loves. He's come in an arc that shows some development in his character, but then the filmmakers blow it all up by having Rose save him for essentially no good reason, and then try to play it off as if there was one. It would have been good in a lot of ways if Finn had died here, since he doesn't really have much more to do in the saga it would seem. He didn't really accomplish much in this movie, and his whole role felt kind of shallow and much more secondary. Although to be honest I'm glad he didn't die because I do like him. And even though his and Rose's kiss seemed totally awkward, sudden, and out of place, I also kind of ship them.
Concerning the Finn and Rose subplot, I agree that it is important to show characters and people we like experiencing failure, but there are, I think, better ways of doing this within the story, rather than essentially going outside of it. I don't know about you, but when I was in the theatre and they were talking to Maz about going to find the codebreaker, I felt like "man, are we really going to leave the immediate action and go all the way to a distant planet?" and it just felt jarring to the motion of the story. And then I was getting back into it, I thought their plan was about to work, and then it failed, and it was kind of like "I just watched a whole hour of that for nothing". . I don't know about you, but when I think about rewatching the movie, I feel like that's going to be a part that is just not really going to interest me, because it doesn't move the story along. There are other ways that the same feelings of conflict, struggle, and failure can be conveyed. Essentially, the whole planet narrative served only to highlight some subtle and not so subtle leftist political messages. I mean, I do get what you're saying, but I think you would agree that there were probably better ways they could have accomplished the same character development.
I dunno if the horse things were sentient, they seemed to follow each other in herd which seemed a lot like non-sentient animals do - like they didn't split apart in different directions when they were being chased like humans would generally do. But if they were sentient then it does put the actions of Rose and Finn there in a different light. I think it's more likely they weren't though, as the movie appeared to be pushing animal rights in these scenes more than anything else.
Again, thanks for your points. Sorry if I come off as ranting or something, not my intention. I'm just keen to have a good discussion about the things I didn't like.
Post by Dmitri Pendragon on Dec 23, 2017 0:29:34 GMT
Darbu, do you plan to join the UG, or have you been reading over Aviar's shoulder?
While Anakin's ability with flying Podracers is definitely Force-derived, he's also quite experienced with racing them and he built one from scratch. We also hear that the Mos Espa race is the first he's ever finished, so I don't think Rey (who's never flown in her life, as far as we know) can be considered equivalent.
Anakin was the only human who was able to fly a podracer, so the Force must have obviously helped him a lot. Rey's flying skills, with the aid of the Force, is still easily attainable for non Force using pilots. Han Solo, Chewbacca, Poe Dameron, and even the tie fighter pilots of the First Order who pursue Rey through the ruined Star Destroyer all seem to have at least the same flying skills as Rey. What she lacks in experience, she makes up with the Force. And after flying through the Star Destroyer, she is super surprised.
I have been reading over Aviar's shoulder, but I still might do a few more comments sometimes.
Post by Aviar Goldeneagle on Dec 23, 2017 9:46:34 GMT
Concerning Anakin, flying a podracer is a lot slower and far more easy to control than a ship. (Based on the controls we see in the Falcon and those in the podracer). As has been mentioned, Anakin had built a podracer and had also been training and racing them for quite some time - so he would be familiar with how they work, and practiced in the skill of controlling them. Rey hops in an unfamiliar ship and pilots it as well as Han Solo, who has been flying it for years. Note also (as a minor point) that Rey didn't even know she had the force at this time, and so wouldn't have been consciously using it in any way.
Concerning other pilots with similar skills, I'd agree that Poe and Han Solo have similar ability, but remember, these guys are anomalies, known for being among the best in the galaxy, who have been flying for years and years. Their skills are hardly "easily attainable". Rey is just a scavenger who happened to jump in a ship and evade some military fighters.
A real world analogy would be a guy who works as a mechanic fixing fighter planes and occasionally helping build them, and who sometimes plays aircraft video games, suddenly hopping in a random fighter that he's never worked on before, and managing to escape two trained pilots from the U.S airforce who are trying to shoot him down. You can see this would be an extremely impossible situation for the mechanic. . The difference is, of course, that Rey has the force, but I don't feel this can realistically make up for the odds she is placed in, especially given what we know about the limitations force users still have even with the force - and especially when not consciously using the force. (An example of this would be when Rey is fighting Kylo in TFA. At the start she's losing, but then she consciously uses the force and immediately beats him.)
And ultimately, for a lot of these situations you can come up with somewhat plausible explanations. Like, you can say "well I guess it just must be the force", and that can kind of cover the situation, making people leave it alone and be satisfied. And if this was the only place in the movies where something like this happened then people wouldn't complain - there are moments like this in the original trilogy and people don't mind. Instead, it's when things like this continue to happen over and over again; when the explanation of "it must the force" becomes less and less satisfying; when numerous plot holes and inconsistent story lines and characters pop up more and more; when fans get tired of having to come up with less and less satisfying explanations each time, and start to wonder "why couldn't they have just given us a solid explanation within the movie?", "why couldn't they just have taken care of this plot hole inside the story itself?" - it's then that people start to turn away from the movie, become less forgiving of errors, and plainly just start to feel disappointed. That, is ultimately the reason why so many people dislike The Last Jedi. That, is why it has been getting so many negative reviews and why so many fans feel disappointed. And it hurts even deeper when you look at the movie and realise just how easy it would have been to avoid all of this.
Buuut, anyway. Thanks for posting brother Darbu. . You should get a actual account and come on here for real.
Concerning Rey's flying skills, a 'somewhat plausible explanation' doesn't actually need to be thought up, because the films have already given us a simple answer.
As Qui gon says when commenting on Anakin, "He can see things before they happen. That's why he appears to have such quick reflexes. It is a jedi trait. And Luke gives a perfect example of this, when he deflects two blaster bolts while blind folded, as he practices with Obi Wan aboard the Millennium Falcon.
Anakin, like Rey, didn't know he had the Force when he was piloting his podracer, and was still able to use it. Anakin's flying skills are also much more impressive than rey's, as he is the only known human able to race pods, while all Rey did was barely survive being pursued by a few (of thousands) random human First Order tie fighter pilots.
Another thing to note is that Anakin's podracer at 947km/h was very likely much faster than the Falcon was travelling.
Post by Ellron Silvertree on Dec 24, 2017 3:56:08 GMT
Being able to see things before they happen does not account for instantaneous learning and familiarizing herself with the controls of the Falcon, nor can it explain away being able to outfly military fighter pilots in a freighter. The comparison with Anakin doesn't hold because, again, he already had a lot of experience. The only thing the Force actually definitively helped him with was improved reflexes.
On the issue of the Finn sacrifice and the Rose bit, I have a couple of thoughts. First, I'm glad Rose saved him because I like Finn :P However, Finn's sacrifice wouldn't have been heroic. It would have been stupid. It wasn't a selfless act of protective sacrifice like Holden, he was caught up in the moment with the idea of doing something heroic and good, fueled by his conversations with Rose about good guy-ness. But unlike Holden's sacrifice, which was a calculated decision where she realized that it was the best way for her to maximize the likelihood of protecting the Resistance, Finn was basically a far-flung Hail Mary pass. He couldn't shoot the cannon, the heat from the pre-shot energy (whatever the heck that was) had already melted his weapons. At best he would ram it and hope he damaged it, but he might not have even hit the thing in time. Even if he did, it wouldn't have done much. Was Rose acting selfishly by saving him? Maybe. But Poe (the commanding officer) realized the strike wasn't going to work and called it off. They were taking heavy losses and it wasn't worth risking more lives on a bad wager with a weak payoff. It paralleled Poe's strike at the beginning of the movie, where it succeeded, but at a steep price. Sure, Finn had heroic intentions. But you're only a hero if you succeed. If not, you're a fool. And dead. The Resistance doesn't need more dead heroes, let alone more dead fools.
Post by Aviar Goldeneagle on Dec 24, 2017 10:09:01 GMT
@darbu: I agree that you can give a possible explanation - I disagree that in this case it is merely a "simple answer". But no matter. I have laid out my case, and I think the fact that there has been so much debate over this and other situations speaks for the truth of my claim. If it was simple to find the explanation, then there wouldn't be so many people complaining about it. Anyway, this is my last post on Rey's Mary Sueness. I feel I've covered what I wanted to say above and whether people agree with my view or not is up to them.
Ellron Silvertree: I like the points you bring up, and yes, they do pertain to the exactness of the comparison I made between Holdo and Finn. Finn was doing something stupid, it probably wasn't calculated, and he was caught up in the moment. So perhaps I wasn't right to make an exact comparison. However, I would say that that doesn't change the good and heroicness of what he was trying to do. And yes, while I'm glad Rose saved him in one sense, because I also like him , the movie portrayed what he was doing as if he was going to noble self-sacrificial death. As Elethia Arvell mentioned, the music swelled and we really thought he was going to die. And I don't feel that I can really put a positive spin on what Rose did. She disobeyed orders by doing something nearly equally stupid as what she was trying to prevent, and it could well have ended up that they both died. So ultimately, I still feel that what she did was pretty hypocritical and wrong, while the movie tried to portray it as being really good. *shrugs*.
Post by Ellron Silvertree on Dec 24, 2017 14:00:44 GMT
Aye, I'd say I agree with you there. I'm also glad she did it, because I really think it would have been a pointless death (in the sense that it would amount to nothing just like so many other attempts and sacrifices in this film), however noble it's intent.
Post by Dmitri Pendragon on Dec 26, 2017 21:06:49 GMT
I only just realised something about that scene where Poe calls off the fighters on the mining planet. At the start of the movie, it's Poe who refuses to listen to orders to turn back and loses all the bombers in the Resistance fleet. At the end of the movie, it's Poe who has gained the wisdom and leadership in Leia's absence to call off the fighters. Nice bookending, and subtle too.
Post by TheLostLordofAllyra on Apr 30, 2018 20:53:06 GMT
riphunter616 Yes, I agree! Berinfell cast! I actually have a whole Powerpoint and a short movie trailer in the making for it. I actually have some possible people for the cast. Here's a few.
Regis - Daisy Ridley (not just cause I'm a Star Wars fan; I just think she would fit the part of Regis pretty well)
Mr. Charlie - possibly Samuel L. Jackson, but maybe not(that was just my Star Wars-ness kicking in )
Nelly - Katherine McNamara(maybe?)
Mrs. Simonson(Kat's mom) - Cheryl Texiera
Mrs. Green(Jett's mom) - Octavia Spencer
Mr. Green(Jett's dad) - Forrest Whitaker(maybe?)
Goldarrow - Dove Cameron
So, I know that some of these are a bit too young, but you know, maybe in time. Also, , I didn't include the stars of the show cause I have pictures for them, but I have no idea who most of them are. XD
Post by Aviar Goldeneagle on May 3, 2018 9:13:01 GMT
Anyone have any new thoughts on The Last Jedi, now that it's been out for a while? It's sitting at 47% on Rotten Tomatoes, and I gotta say, watching it again I think it's even worse than I used to think. :/ And I love Star Wars too. I just think Rian Johnson didn't do a great job.
Post by Leilani Sunblade on May 4, 2018 0:11:08 GMT
Quick reminder— if you're going to discuss spoilers, please put them in spoiler tags ([.spoiler]-[/spoiler.], take out the periods). Some of us haven't seen the movie and are trying our best to hide from info about it.
Saddle up your steam bikes and put your goggles on- We've got a steampunk revolution!
Post by TheLostLordofAllyra on May 4, 2018 3:58:23 GMT
I got thoughts on Last Jedi! I'll try to avoid spoilers for all you others out there.
I mean, I thought it was okay. Not the best Star Wars ever, but just okay. Some parts were weird and not really needed in the movie(wink, wink). The humorous parts in it were very odd for a Star Wars movie. Not to say that there aren't funny parts in Star Wars, but I think in Last Jedi the one part was just a bit forced. Kinda like an ice-breaker too. A bit too "Disneyfied". It didn't really feel like Star Wars. But I loved the lightsaber battling, obviously! That was exciting. And I liked the extra Star Wars creatures too. They were cute! Personally, for me, I think seeing it more than one time, it was better. Just cause I knew what was going to happen. Also, my siblings and I love quoting Star Wars, and there were PLENTY of good quotes to just shout all over the house. XD
Silver Chair movie begins filming this winter in NZ!
Seriously?! That's pretty cool. I have not even heard a ton about other Narnia movies for a while now; only since you guys on here were discussing it. I'll definitely be looking forward to it, but to me, it seems a bit random. Just cause the last movie came out in when...2010? Hoping they'll make a Last Battle movie after this one; that'll be exciting!
Post by Warrior of Aror on May 8, 2018 23:12:52 GMT
Ellron Silvertree Nope! Eustace will be new. Silver Chair won't start over exactly like a reboot would, but it's a totally fresh vision.
TheLostLordofAllyra I know what you mean - it has been a while. But Narnia is an enduring storyworld. The heart is gold so it can always be brought back with a good adaptation. The adaptations are locked in time but the stories are universal. And because Silver Chair will have a new director, new writer (David McGee!!), new production house, and David Gresham (Lewis' stepson) overseeing it, I think Silver Chair has potential for being awe-some; it could possibly be the best Narnia movie yet. So I'm excited with you.
Also, it looks like The Silver Chair is the start of a new "trilogy". So Last Battle will probably be made after Horse and His Boy or Magician's Nephew.
Post by TheLostLordofAllyra on May 9, 2018 19:50:25 GMT
Warrior of Aror, true. That's interesting that'll it's supposed to be a new trilogy kind of thing. So they will end up doing all of the books as movies? I liked The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe as the first movie they did, but I still would have liked to see the VERY first book as a movie. I think awhile ago I heard rumors that they might be doing Magician's Nephew, so that's cool!
Post by TheLostLordofAllyra on May 16, 2018 2:22:13 GMT
Ohmygoodness! Holy cow, you guys! You'll never get this! Peter--you know who I'm talking about--is starring in this upcoming The Little Mermaid movie!! I'm sooooo excited now! The movie's coming out this summer, btw. The only reason I found out about this is because the trailer kept popping up on my YouTube, and I was curious to see it. At first, I thought it was one of those really good, but fake trailers for live action movies, but guys, this is real! My day has been complete.
Dmitri Pendragon: Elytra: Wait, it's actually referring to the oldest post on the Underground? (I never did chase that down in fact…)
Nov 27, 2019 19:32:25 GMT
Leilani Sunblade: Rose: Welcome to Whitehall/the new Underground! Glad to see you found your way here. As Elytra said, the riddle's pointing towards the old site and, specifically, a scavenger-hunt type game that WTB and CH set up when they first released the book
Nov 28, 2019 21:11:04 GMT
Leilani Sunblade: Sadly, the game is over, but we still have fun here.
Nov 28, 2019 21:11:16 GMT
Warrior of Aror: Let us sit round the hearth and tell stories of the lives we have lived these past moons! I myself have been working at a grand theater telling Bible stories from behind the scenes.
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