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Post by NightBlade on Jun 20, 2016 16:28:08 GMT
Anyone seen Zootopia or Finding Dory? I actually liked them both. Zootopia was particularly a surprisingly good story
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Post by WookieeElf on Jun 20, 2016 16:31:32 GMT
My sisters watched Zootopia yesterday, they say it's good, but they found the whole racial thing unsettling.
I'm not that keen on seeing Finding Dory, honestly. I dunno...a friend of ours said that they put a lot of 'political' stuff in there but they made it so that you could overlook it if you're not watching for it. So...subtle brainwashing, I guess.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Jun 20, 2016 17:46:09 GMT
I saw them as a double feature at a drive in, actually. I liked them both, just like NightBlade. What exactly do you mean by political? It's a pretty broad term. I actually felt like I saw more of an "agenda" in Zootopia than in Dory. Also, what do you mean by the racial thing? I'm afraid I don't quite follow.
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Post by NightBlade on Jun 20, 2016 19:33:50 GMT
@ellron were....we at the same exact place Saturday night? Ad for the Dory thing, well it touched the whole treatment/mistreatment of animals but that is far from political imo. As for Zootopia, I thought is was simple--don't stereotype and fearmonger different "kinds" (I use that term very loosely) of people becasue of the harm it can do to society
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Post by WookieeElf on Jun 20, 2016 19:38:45 GMT
Minor spoilers for Finding Dory: There's a cross-dressing sting-ray and a lesbian couple. That's what I meant by political, since that's all politics is about now. As for Zootopia...eh. I haven't watched the whole thing so I dunno.
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Post by NightBlade on Jun 20, 2016 19:58:43 GMT
...really? For sure?
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Post by WookieeElf on Jun 20, 2016 22:10:06 GMT
Yup.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Jun 20, 2016 22:45:32 GMT
I don't remember either of those things, probably because it's hard to tell with fish.
And I didn't feel like Zootopia was heavily pushing an agenda, but there were key phrases here and there that stuck out to me as particularly close to "progressive" advocate phrases. It's not that the phrases themselves were bad, it's just the same type of language that those with whom I disagree in the world of politics and ethics tend to use.
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Post by NightBlade on Jun 20, 2016 23:11:00 GMT
I Google searched it, all I see is rumors from before it came out. No confirmation whatsoever
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Jun 26, 2016 18:54:23 GMT
My mom checked out Finding Dory- those two women were walking together in the park, and one of them had a baby in a carriage. Nothing saying they weren't friends having a visit! It isn't as though they were holding hands and nuzzling each other or anything. I think the world is just anxious to project their desires on anything they can.
Zootopia, as fun and cool as it was, had a pretty obvious political agenda. I'm fine with encouraging people not to stereotype according to race (etc), but there also seemed to be a subtext of accepting the LGBT community as being right: especially with the "Be whatever you want to be" message that popped up left and right. I'm thinking particularly of the part where the little Fenic fox is dressed as an elephant, supposedly wanting to be one when he 'grows up'. Cute on the surface, but I guess I saw it as speaking about the transgender issue. Of course, the whole scene was just a ruse.... so maybe that negates it. *shrug*
I'm not saying I didn't enjoy Zootopia. I thought it was really fun and cute, for the most part. But I do wish they hadn't included the scene with the nude animals. That conjured up images I didn't need in my head. 0_0
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Post by NightBlade on Jun 26, 2016 19:01:55 GMT
Yeah I feel like that was just a bunch of hot air
As for the political agenda, I dunno, maybe. Personally I'm not really bothered by that issue until people try to infringe on my beliefs in favor of their own But about the nude animal colony thing, yeah that was kinda too weird :/
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Post by WookieeElf on Jun 26, 2016 23:13:54 GMT
Okay, forget what I said negatively about Finding Dory. I just saw it and it was adorable. Or A-Dory-ble.
I suck at puns.
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Jun 27, 2016 3:45:06 GMT
Oh, good! I still want to see all of it. I've only read reviews and seen clips so far.
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Jul 2, 2016 2:55:35 GMT
Darn, double posting again.
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I don't really feel like trudging through the previous pages to find out. What did you guys think of Kylo Ren as an antagonist and a character in general? I personally found him very interesting. Not incredibly threatening, (though he has potential), but his motives and emotions are fascinating. I look forward to seeing where he goes. I also have some theories regarding him and Rey, but I won't go into that quite yet.
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Post by NightBlade on Jul 2, 2016 3:31:25 GMT
I didnt like him partly because he wasn't fleshed out as a villain, both in how his resolve and power was so shaky, and also in how vague his backstory currently is. To like a villain I have to respect him, or see signs of redemption, neither of which I felt in the least (not to say I don't think he will imevitably be redeemed eventually). Plus the actor...ugggh. I dont care if he's marine corps, I can't bear to look t his face. Both he and Rey honestly I didn't care for at all as characters. Finn on the other hand, I found to be a very compelling character. Don't get me wrong, I'm dying for a good, strong female character as much as tbe next person. But it's just not been well executed yet. Maybe Rogue One will get it right.
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Post by WookieeElf on Jul 2, 2016 4:16:29 GMT
I have the overwhelming urge to dump Kyle Ron in the trash compactor. #noregrets
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Post by Dmitri Pendragon on Jul 4, 2016 7:20:34 GMT
I think the lack of backstory is one of the most severe flaws in The Force Awakens.
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Jul 4, 2016 14:16:21 GMT
I didn't mind the lack of backstory, really. I think it would have seemed contrived to me had they included it. I like more of a slow reveal, little bits of information gathered over the course of the series until you realize exactly what happened. As far as not being fleshed out as a villain, I hear you. He is definitely not as threatening as the likes of Darth Vader. But the thing is, I don't think he's supposed to be. He really is a childish young man rebelling against his parents (which is a typical 20's thing to do) by delving into the very thing they have fought to defeat. He has power and some skill, but he doesn't use it yet to its full potential. No, I wouldn't call him a full-fledged villain. He's an antagonist, of course, since he opposes the heroes. But he has yet to reach the status of Villain. Mostly, I'm interested in his personal motivations, personality, and history.
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Post by WookieeElf on Jul 4, 2016 14:21:05 GMT
JJ Abrams has said that the new trilogy isn't just the story of a hero, but also a villain. So we're probably gonna see more about Kylo Ren in the future.
Still, he is a bit whiney. And childish, despite being almost 30. The Dark Side does weird things to people.
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Jul 4, 2016 16:45:56 GMT
Perhaps he will grow and change in the next movie. If it's going to be the story of a hero and a villain, surely we'll see Kylo's journey to its conclusion. You'd be surprised how may whiney 30-year-olds there are in the world. XD
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Jul 4, 2016 17:43:01 GMT
Did Kylo Ren die at the end? Because I thought he was still on the Death Star rip-off planet at the end of the movie? Or did I miss something?
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Post by WookieeElf on Jul 4, 2016 18:03:22 GMT
Did Kylo Ren die at the end? Because I thought he was still on the Death Star rip-off planet at the end of the movie? Or did I miss something? He's not dead. In the novelization, we find out that General Hux used a secret tracking device in Kylo's belt to track him and pick him up. Kylo with a tracking device... I'm still questioning that bit.
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Post by The Lord Pendragon on Jul 4, 2016 22:23:34 GMT
WookieeElf: I haven't read the novelisation, but that part sounds contrived. A questionable plot point for the sake of convenience. This is slightly off target, but I think Phasma could have been done so much better. She capitulates to save her own life, thus dooming the entire Starkiller Base. Wouldn't it have been so much more for her character if she'd shot herself, or shot one of the main characters knowing she would die? As it is, now they have to contrive a subplot explaining exactly how she got out of the trash compactor before the Starkiller Base blew up. All right, they've done it the way they did it. Now I want to see her go on a quest to redeem her honour. SOMETHING to make up for that weakness aboard the Base.
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Post by NightBlade on Jul 4, 2016 23:10:02 GMT
For all mentioned reasons and more, I don't like the movie. I've seen it multiple times and nobody can change my mind at this point xP
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Post by WookieeElf on Jul 4, 2016 23:26:34 GMT
WookieeElf: I haven't read the novelisation, but that part sounds contrived. A questionable plot point for the sake of convenience. This is slightly off target, but I think Phasma could have been done so much better. She capitulates to save her own life, thus dooming the entire Starkiller Base. Wouldn't it have been so much more for her character if she'd shot herself, or shot one of the main characters knowing she would die? As it is, now they have to contrive a subplot explaining exactly how she got out of the trash compactor before the Starkiller Base blew up. All right, they've done it the way they did it. Now I want to see her go on a quest to redeem her honour. SOMETHING to make up for that weakness aboard the Base. Dmitri Pendragon: I like to think that the device was there because Snoke doesn't fully trust Kylo yet. Kylo kept getting 'called to the light' and Snoke didn't want to lose his best player, so Kylo got tagged. Phasma does need a little more character development and the only reason I can come up with for what she did is that the writers don't want to kill her off.
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Jul 5, 2016 3:18:01 GMT
WookieeElf: That explanation makes sense. I new Kylo couldn't be dead, and figured that Hux rescued him. A tracking device in his belt seems practical for someone of his background. Either that, or perhaps he force-called to one of his minions.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Jul 5, 2016 5:03:28 GMT
And to be fair, Vader only survived Episode IV because his ship just so happened to avoid crashing after being knocked askew in the trench, and then he somehow regained perfect control.
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Post by WookieeElf on Jul 5, 2016 12:15:41 GMT
And to be fair, Vader only survived Episode IV because his ship just so happened to avoid crashing after being knocked askew in the trench, and then he somehow regained perfect control. Well he is Anakin Skywalker. Greatest pilot ever known.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Jul 5, 2016 12:21:53 GMT
He's only known as one of the best pilots, not necessarily the greatest. But even he should have trouble with a damaged so ship.
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Post by NightBlade on Jul 5, 2016 12:31:44 GMT
Star Wars was already fraught by dumb luck/sheer chance plot holes and Disney is just making it horrendous
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