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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Aug 8, 2016 23:30:29 GMT
That's true, forgot about all that. I haven't read the books in a while.
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Post by Dmitri Pendragon on Aug 9, 2016 7:25:54 GMT
Kirenyth Fireblade: Jett isn't actually a Nightform practitioner—only the other six Lords learned the fighting style, since they started (as far as I remember) two years before the onset of The Tide of Unmaking. But Vexbane, yes.
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Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Aug 10, 2016 2:52:07 GMT
Well, no one said he didn't start training after he returned to Berinfell... Anyway, that point was kind of irrelevant. I was making the point that Jett does have martial arts training, probably beyond what they teach in the U.S. Army and SHIELD (that's a guess, but the elves seem to have an edge on humans when it comes to combat, aside from weapons technology. To me, it seems like they're more intelligent than us--they just don't have the knowledge and materials that we do).
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Post by Dmitri Pendragon on Aug 11, 2016 7:07:48 GMT
Kirenyth Fireblade: True. But still, it's really only a possibility that Jett learns Nightform until it actually happens, and if you apply it to him you should really apply it to Cap as well—what would Cap be likely to be capable of in the future? That's a good point. And besides not having the knowledge, they can't take weapons to Allyra unless they use some manner of protection—the only discovered way so far is to coat them with Dark Arts, which has its obvious disadvantages for Ellos-fearing Elves. So they can't replicate the weapons on Allyra. I've seen only the first Captain America movie, so I'll take him at his prime physical peak in that movie, and Jett from his prime physical peak in The Tide of Unmaking. I think in a short contest of brute force Jett would win, seeing as he has a healing factor and is pretty much equal in strength to Cap, but if Cap has time to strategise he would likely beat Jett. That's my opinion on the duel.
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Aug 11, 2016 12:13:37 GMT
It's worth noting that Cap doesn't have very much experience fighting in the first movie. He becomes notably better in each of the movies, and his peak so far is in Civil War. If it was first movie Cap against first movie Jett I think Jett would win. We also don't know where they are fighting. If it's on earth then Cap has his shield, which is part of his standard equipment, and it gives him a distinct advantage.
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Post by NightBlade on Aug 11, 2016 19:13:55 GMT
All of Kirenyth's points are valid. However I'd like to point out that Cap is a very skilled martial artist by his second movie, taking out Baltroc hand to hand and holding his own against Bucky, who was armed with a knife while Cap was both times shieldless. However, on the subject of his shield, they seemed to have ditched the quality of reflecting vibrations, since in MCU he bounces it off walls and got knocked back by a 40mm grenade. The way it's supposed to work, it woul dissipate any force applied to it... Jett would in theory be thrown back by the force of his own punch upon impact.
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Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Aug 12, 2016 0:46:35 GMT
Dmitri Pendragon: I have to disagree with you on Cap being as strong as Jett. Cap is merely at the peak of human condition, maybe a bit stronger. Jett has more than that; a power that was given to his line by Ellos which would easily make him stronger than even the biggest bodybuilder in history many times over! You're right about the weapons. However, the elves could learn and build on human martial arts and fighting techniques, which aren't material. This gives them the ability to strengthen their martial arts to the point that it's much more effective than even Krav Maga. As for Jett bouncing off cap's shield, he'd probably only do it once to figure it out that it was a bad idea!
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Aug 12, 2016 1:14:59 GMT
Cap is actually far stronger than any normal human capacity. There's a scene in Agents of Shield where Mike Peterson is seen pushing/dragging something huge, like a train car or something. He does it very quickly, but it's noted that he still isn't near the record Cap set. His physical capability is literally superhuman. I also disagree with the suggestion that elves would be inherently more adapt in hand to hand combat forms. They have their particular fighting styles, and a different culture from Earth, but they aren't necessarily better.
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Post by NightBlade on Aug 12, 2016 1:18:22 GMT
Plus Cap does at times use guns x)
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Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Aug 12, 2016 2:53:50 GMT
Ellron Silvertree: touché. In an archery contest (not combat) who would win: Tommy, Hawkeye, or the Ranger Halt?
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Aug 12, 2016 13:47:18 GMT
Green Arrow.
Just kidding, though it's worth adding him as well. I believe that in the comics Green Arrow never misses, and the same may be true for Hawkeye. And I think Tommy is the same, whereas Halt is just really good. So I guess it would come down to their versatility with their skills. Green Arrow has a bunch of trick arrows, buy we don't need to take those into account.
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Aug 12, 2016 15:46:02 GMT
That's a good question. My first instinct is to say Hawkeye, but the others are really great too. I'm not really sure now!
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Post by Leilani Sunblade on Aug 12, 2016 15:52:54 GMT
My money's on either Tommy or Halt, personally. It does depend somewhat on what bows they're using, though, and on the distance. Are they all using their own bows (in which case Hawkeye will have an advantage because he's got a compound bow, which is easier to shoot accurately than a longbow)? Or are they all using the same type of bow in order to make the contest more fair (in which case the advantage could go either way- if they're all given a compound bow, Hawkeye still has the advantage because he's used to it, but Tommy would have a better chance than Halt, who's only used longbows and recurve bows; if they're given longbows or recurve bows, Hawkeye's in serious trouble).
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Post by NightBlade on Aug 12, 2016 16:26:16 GMT
Hawkeye shoots laser guided, multi-munition high explosive arrows....nuff said
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Aug 13, 2016 1:19:09 GMT
But wait--are we talking MCU Hawkeye or comics? Because they're pretty different. And personally I still think we should add Green Arrow to the mix, but that's just me.
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Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Aug 13, 2016 14:55:47 GMT
Leilani Sunblade I think both Hawkeye and Green Arrow use Recurve-compound hybrids, and it doesn't really matter what kind of bow Tommy is using (if you recall in VaS he found out he's deadly accurate with any ranged weapon, and in CotSK he uses a compound in the archery meet and the abandoned mental hospital). Also, Tommy has an advantage when it comes to sight, as his gift allows him to see far-away objects clearly. And there's the fact that his main gift is that he can't miss unless he tries. The second time he used a bow, he got almost all bull's-eyes! (And the reason he didn't get all bull's-eyes was that he decided to hold back.)
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Sept 25, 2016 13:14:24 GMT
Tommy would probably beat them in a contest of accuracy, but I think they might be evenly matched when it comes to fighting skills. Unless I'm not remembering Tommy's abilities quite right...
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Post by Ellron Silvertree on Sept 25, 2016 16:05:00 GMT
I may be biased, but I think it would be Hawkeye for combat between those three. Halt would definitely be in the running, but I think Hawkeye would come out on top.
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 25, 2016 16:15:18 GMT
Laser-guided missiles? :S Cheating. That isn't real skill.
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Post by NightBlade on Sept 25, 2016 16:30:33 GMT
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Sept 25, 2016 18:43:53 GMT
I don't know. Was he in Avengers 1?
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Post by NightBlade on Sept 25, 2016 19:41:00 GMT
I don't know. Was he in Avengers 1? Yes! And 2. And in Cap 3.
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Post by Derago Thorkson (The Hunter) on Nov 15, 2016 1:05:45 GMT
Dr. Strange Vs Gandalf
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Post by Elethia Arvell on Nov 29, 2016 15:38:48 GMT
I haven't seen Dr Strange yet.... But it seems like he could probably win because just from the trailers, he is allowed to use much greater amounts of reality altering magic than Gandalf was.
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Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Dec 6, 2016 18:45:50 GMT
In the old comics Dr. Strange was pretty much so OP he could obliterate multiple alternate universes at once with hardly any effort, and stand toe-to-toe with someone wearing the Infinity Gauntlet and come out on top. Even though Gandalf/Olorin is the middle-earth equivelant of an angelic being, he can still be destroyed.
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Post by NightBlade on Dec 7, 2016 22:25:40 GMT
Fanfold had some pretty epic powers in his original version
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Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Feb 20, 2017 3:25:00 GMT
Batman vs The Arrow, assuming each have their standard crime-fighting gear (nothing like the bat-armor or anything like that) and the Flash vs Quicksilver (which is faster, anyway?)
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Post by NightBlade on Feb 20, 2017 17:04:18 GMT
Fanfold? I meant to say Gandalf xD
Arrow could probably just snipe Batman. And if Batman can somehow catch arrows like all DC people these days, then a frag arrow will do it.
I think Quicksilver would probably win, because his power doesn't scale with the speed force or depend on it at all. He also has superhuman durability on top of speed and endurance
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Post by Warrior of Aror on Feb 20, 2017 17:25:50 GMT
If it were Fanfold versus Gandalf, Fanfold would win.
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Post by Kirenyth Fireblade on Feb 21, 2017 0:21:54 GMT
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